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Post  denboy -10 on Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:06 am

Is it legal not to have a Stop Light or a Horn On a 1955 Kestrel 69 ? It is direct system

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Post  John Wakefield on Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:28 pm

This from MoT testers manual https://www.motester.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mot-inspection-manual-classes-1-2.pdf

Stop Light
Exemptions
If a stop lamp is fitted, it must meet the requirements of
this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine
which:
a. cannot exceed 25mph, or
b. was first used before 1 January 1936, or
c. was first used before 1 April 1986 and which
has an engine capacity of less than 50cc

Horn
On a motor bicycle without a battery or an
insufficiently charged battery which is fitted with an
electrically operated horn, it will be necessary to run
the engine.
An audible warning device is usually an electrical
horn. A horn is defined as an instrument, not being a
bell, gong or siren, capable of giving audible and
sufficient warning of the approach or position of a
vehicle.
A motor bicycle first used before 1 August 1973 may
be fitted with a bulb horn.

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Post  PeterW on Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:59 pm

John,

If I'm reading your information correctly, although my 1953 Kestrel 66 was not fitted with a stop light when manufactured, but can exceed 25 mph, was not first used before 1 Jan 1936 and was first used before 1 April 1986 but does not have an engine capacity of less than 50cc, it is legally required to have a working stop lamp?

Assuming that FB did not sell machines that were illegal at the time of sale, would I be correct in saying that the regulations were applied retrospectively?

Cheers,

PeterW

John Wakefield wrote:This from MoT testers manual https://www.motester.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mot-inspection-manual-classes-1-2.pdf

Stop Light
Exemptions
If a stop lamp is fitted, it must meet the requirements of
this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine
which:
a. cannot exceed 25mph, or
b. was first used before 1 January 1936, or
c. was first used before 1 April 1986 and which
has an engine capacity of less than 50cc

Horn
On a motor bicycle without a battery or an
insufficiently charged battery which is fitted with an
electrically operated horn, it will be necessary to run
the engine.
An audible warning device is usually an electrical
horn. A horn is defined as an instrument, not being a
bell, gong or siren, capable of giving audible and
sufficient warning of the approach or position of a
vehicle.
A motor bicycle first used before 1 August 1973 may
be fitted with a bulb horn.
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Post  denboy -10 on Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:27 pm

Hi John thanks for your information.

The horn part is alright.

Back light i read it as i need a stop light?
Will it work from direct lighting when engine is running through a stop light switch?

Your information is greatly needed.



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Post  seipgam on Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:30 am

My Kestrel 66 with direct lighting and no battery has a tail light, with stop light running through a brake light switch, all works fine.

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Post  denboy -10 on Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:43 am

Hi thank you Seipgam.
It is nice to get information like yours.
Know how is better than a book.
Keep it up you have been a great Help.
Thanks.


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Post  kerabo on Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:21 am

I was a little surprised to read this.
There must be Many bikes out there without stop lamps. My April 1936 Cruiser missed being exempt by 4 months.
Now I have to think how I can modify this without spoiling it looking original. I will lay a spare wire in while making my loom and think about the rest.
The MOT exert shown is a little out of date but it's still the same on the up to date version.
Ken
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Post  John Wakefield on Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:10 pm

denboy -10 wrote:Hi John thanks for your information.

The horn part is alright.

Back light  i read it as i need a stop light?
Will it work from direct lighting when engine is running through a stop light switch?

Your information is greatly needed.



denboy-10

Stop light should be OK direct as long as it is not subjected to the full output of the lighting coils. On the 9E there is a 2 pin socket, small socket low output for stop light or battery charging if fitted. The large one is main output for headlamp/tail lamp. The earth return is via the frame from both pins.
Not sure how this is arranged on the 8E which from memory does not have the two pin socket, but maybe two wires with bullet connectors which you will need to trace back to alternator.

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