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Post  rob spence on Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:08 pm

Hi,
I'm building a trials special with a Cruiser 75 frame and a Falcon 87 AMC 20T engine, so not an original.
What are the ramifications for registering it for a logbook on completion? Will it get a historic number plate or a Q plate?

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Post  kerabo on Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:30 pm

Post some pictures please when you can .

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Post  piston 197 on Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:10 pm

If it still has Francis Barnett main components , Frame, Engine,wheels,forks it will not be a problem, if it has Modern Japanese forks and wheels it will be a problem.
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Post  rob spence on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:38 am

Ken, bike is now back in a dismantled state and so will be a while for photos.

JH, thanks for the info...all major parts are FB, except the engine would never have been in this frame. ( 20T engine in a Cruiser 75 frame ).

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Post  kerabo on Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:50 am

Did you choose the 20T or was it just something you had so used it.

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:28 am

Hi Rob, I'm doing the same thing only using a Villiers 2H, hoping to get it started up in a couple week, will then post some up to date pics. Mike

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Post  rob spence on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:19 am

Hi Ken, I had them already and decided to put them together as an offroader.
Mike, very similar did your 2h fit straight in? By the way Ive used an AMC Norton back bone instead of the FB one (.the vertical section that supports the swinging arm)

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Post  rob spence on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:21 am

Mike, what are those forks? Mine are standard Amc FB.

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Post  piston 197 on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:32 am

The forks are as used by FB in the models 82,83,92 competition machines and a set of AMC long roadholder forks , FB used thes on their comp bikes from 1958 onward, they never appeared in a road bike.
The 1H,2H,2T,3T,4T, and 25T engines share common mounts and interchange into each others frames
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Post  rob spence on Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:37 pm

Thanks JH.

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Post  Ianh on Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:24 pm

Some great information here guys.
I have been thinking about making my spare Cruiser 75 into an off roader - may as well do some thing with it.

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ian

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Post  kerabo on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:23 pm

rob spence wrote:Hi Ken, I had them already and decided to put them together as an offroader.
Mike, very similar did your 2h fit straight in? By the way Ive used an AMC Norton back bone instead of the FB one (.the vertical section that supports the swinging arm)

I have a 20T in a road bike but wonder how good it will be in a trials.
I guess with the correct gearing it should do the job

Keep us updated please.

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Post  kerabo on Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:28 pm

MoscowFlyer wrote:Hi Rob, I'm doing the same thing only using a Villiers 2H, hoping to get it started up in a couple week, will then post some up to date pics. Mike


Looking good Mike

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Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:07 pm

Hi Mike

Where did you get the forks from They look like genuine Roadholders off a Trial or scrambler 85???

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:55 pm

Hi Peter, the forks are a combination of spare parts gathered up over the years, they have many new parts fitted, including stanchions, bushes, seals, springs, chrome and black covers and filler retaining plugs. Mike
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Re: Re-register Cruiser/Falcon

Post  rob spence on Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:09 pm

Hers a James trials with 20T engine.

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:16 pm

Hi JH, you didn't mention the Francis Barnett model 94 scrambler as having used the long roadholder fork? Mike

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Post  piston 197 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:25 pm

I did not mention the James M25T,M25S or M25R either, i have to leave something for you !
in fact the bike in the picture above is in James colour with FB badges on it, only the frame No and the badges were different, but you would expect the FB to be Green , not red ??

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:35 pm

Yes John, I know what you mean, I would like to see one in Francis Barnett green, even if it had the wrong frame number. Mike
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Post  piston 197 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:39 pm

I have one in , but it is a fake, AMC engined bike converted with a Starmaker engine fitted, but at least it is GREEN !
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Re: Re-register Cruiser/Falcon

Post  rob spence on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:33 pm

Mike, do you need special head races to use the roadholders?

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Post  kerabo on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:41 pm

I am pretty certain I used my original bearing and races when I fitted mine. They look nice but are quiet heavy and much taller that the FB Forks. So tall mine wouldn't stand on its centre stand as it never reached the ground.
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Post  rob spence on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:45 pm

Hi Ken, thanks. Do they ride better than the fb originals?

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Post  kerabo on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:54 pm

Well they don't bottom out in really bad bumps.
I would think ther are lots better and cheaper forks out there that would fit with some work unless you need to keep the bike original. I would think unless you are with the trials frame the steering head could be a little weak but that's only my opinion
I came across one at a show and he had something from I think a Honda Road Trail bike.
The steering stops are different as well

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Post  rob spence on Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:27 pm

Just pondering, I'll be staying with the FB ones. What is the silencer on the pics? And did you put any dents into it to clea the shocks?

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