Latest topics
» WIRING HARNESS WANTED
Yesterday at 8:29 pm by Sorcererflyer

» Cruiser piston rings needed please
Yesterday at 7:47 pm by stuart elkes

» Stafford Show
Yesterday at 7:39 pm by stuart elkes

» What's this?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:34 pm by piston 197

» head bolts 8e
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:55 pm by alan67

» Copdock and Scotland
Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:21 am by alan67

» 2 7/8" tank badges
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:00 pm by FrankG

» Cruiser Tool kit
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:34 pm by kerabo

» VILLIERS 1H
Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm by piston 197


frame numbers

Go down

frame numbers

Post  emblen2005 on Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:03 pm

Hello all
Just picked a basket case up and i am haveing trouble with frame number it seems to read zn85161 any ideas on model and year please

emblen2005

Posts : 3
Join date : 2014-11-10

Back to top Go down

ZN frame number

Post  Bob1557 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:40 pm

Arthur Gents book machine spec ZN frame :- Falcon 81 1958-1959 engine Villiers mark10E number prefix 662B 197cc gearbox 3 speed, good luck on your new venture. Bob.
avatar
Bob1557

Posts : 25
Join date : 2013-05-20
Age : 66
Location : Birmingham. UK. Cruiser 84 Cruiser 80

Back to top Go down

Almost

Post  piston 197 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:11 pm

Nearly correct ZN is a 1958 year model Falcon 81 as above, manufactured between September 1957 and August 1958,( a 1959 model would have the frame No beginning with AN )
The 58 and 59 models are identical apart from the pre-fix of the frame No and the style of the front guard, the 1958 has the earlier "duck bill " front guard as per the falcon 74, and the 1959 model has the smooth later style front guard as per the falcon 87, I believe there is a difference in choke operation as well, the earlier model having the plunger choke mounted on top of the carburettor and the later model having a cable operated choke slide operated by a lever on the handle bar ?
JH
avatar
piston 197
Moderator

Posts : 4063
Join date : 2008-08-17
Location : ross-on-wye

Back to top Go down

I'm still learning.

Post  Bob1557 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:41 pm

As always I am in Awe of your superior knowledge JH. BOB. :-)
avatar
Bob1557

Posts : 25
Join date : 2013-05-20
Age : 66
Location : Birmingham. UK. Cruiser 84 Cruiser 80

Back to top Go down

Re: frame numbers

Post  fulmar88 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:18 am

Not saying that you are wrong JH (let's face it who would suggest such a thing!) but can I just point out that I have owned two 1959 MY AN prefixed Falcon 81s. The earlier frame number had the 'duck bill' early type front guard. The later bike (629 later frame number) had the later 'smooth' type. I guess the easiest way to confirm is to compare white 81s as these were only available for 59MY. Obviously its's possible that my earlier bike has a non original guard, but at the same time it's unlikely that all 81s have been changed so any pictorial evidence of a white 81s with the early guard should prove it one way or the other.

Steve.
avatar
fulmar88

Posts : 565
Join date : 2010-03-15
Age : 51

Back to top Go down

mudguards

Post  piston 197 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:33 am

Quite possibly FB were using up their old 1958 stock on 1959 models as the sale leaflets always say on the bottom "the manufacturer retains the right to alter specification without notification" and early models may well have come out of the factory with the older 58 style guards on ? I can see why the later guard was used as it is a one piece pressing and must have been a lot cheaper to produce, but it would make common sense to use up old stock before the change-over
JH
avatar
piston 197
Moderator

Posts : 4063
Join date : 2008-08-17
Location : ross-on-wye

Back to top Go down

Re: frame numbers

Post  flyblo5 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:37 pm

piston 197 wrote:Quite possibly FB were using up their old 1958 stock on 1959 models as the sale leaflets always say on the bottom "the manufacturer retains the right to alter specification without notification" and early models may well have come out of the factory with the older 58 style guards on ?  I can see why the later guard was used as it is a one piece pressing and must have been a lot cheaper to produce, but it would make common sense to use up old stock before the change-over
JH

How do you know all this? study

flyblo5

Posts : 17
Join date : 2013-01-03
Age : 53
Location : East Northants

Back to top Go down

HOW ?

Post  piston 197 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:50 pm

Years of anorak wearing !, being on FBOC committee ( most of the time as technical expert and club librarian) since 1986, having my first Barnett as a 14 year old, and first on road with one in 1973, being the VMCC marque specialist for FB's.
But mostly by reading a lot, , listening to people, and more importantly having a good memory and finally being prepared to admit when I am wrong.
Every day is a school day you just have to be interested enough to remember what you learn.

If I was to appear on Mastermind then Francis Barnett would be my specialist subject in the first round, then would have to fall back on Cotton and James if progressing to further rounds.
Would probably fall down on the general knowledge ( and perhaps modesty )
Well you asked !
JH
avatar
piston 197
Moderator

Posts : 4063
Join date : 2008-08-17
Location : ross-on-wye

Back to top Go down

Re: frame numbers

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum