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Post  tempra007 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:29 pm

Hi guys

I'm new to the forum and have just bought my latest project (Usually have cars, but the wife moaned about the amount of space I use). I have a modern bike (AJS) but always hankered after an old one so here she is.
I do realise some of you may have left her for dead, but I like a challenge:shock: and I'm keeping his one, not selling




Do any of you know her history? and where can I find the chassis and engine numbers?

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Post  Cruiser Ron on Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:38 pm

Good luck with your project, please post photos of your progress.

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:24 pm

Hi, I would say your bike is a Plover 78 fitted with the Villiers 147cc 30c engine. Good look with the restoration, it certainly will be challenging. Mike

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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:17 am

Frame No should be on a rivetted on strip on the L/H side of the headstock ( if it has not rotted off), engine No is across the top of the front of the engine,stamped in the alloy above the front mounting and should begin 295B and then the numbers ,
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Post  tempra007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:59 pm

I've started to strip the bike down (pictures to follow) but I'm confused regarding the frame number?
I've cleaned it up as best as can be and I've got a 7 digit # is this right? the number is AY45496? or A454967? is this right if not I'll try to get a better look at it.




I've got a few stubborn bolts, but I'm sure with care they will come off, surprisingly the gearbox had good clean? oil in it

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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:42 pm

A frame number beginning "A" would be correct for a plover 78 of 1959 vintage , but the numbers confuse me ( and I am the DVLA appointed dating officer for FB's) I would expect a four or five digit number between 8500 and 10100 , was the number you found on a riveted on plate on the L/Hand side of the headstock ?
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Post  tempra007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:45 pm

Yes it was, do you know of any way to get a better view of the plate (rather than removing it) having looked (and the wife did) we still have 45496 but I'll wait until the suns gone in and have another look

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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:49 pm

Not really a better way of looking, but maybe clean off with a wire brush and rub some chalk into the numbers may help, if the first letter is a "Y" that would fit with a four digit number beginning with a "4" after the Y and would make it a 1957 plover 78,
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Post  tempra007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:51 pm

Hi just another quick look and I've got Y5469 I will take a photo and post it later.

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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:15 pm

Yes , that's more like it,1957 model Francis Barnett plover 78,made between Sept 56 and Aug 57, Villiers 30C 147cc engine ,should start with code 259B on the engine.
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Post  tempra007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:45 pm

Thanks, 1 problem solved, now the engine # and then try to get a V5
Edit: engine # 295B21967


Once I have a V5 for the bike is it possible to get a new frame ID plate to replace the old one? (sorry if it sound a silly request)

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Post  tempra007 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:19 am

just looking at the frame number again it's Y5496 not 69. the engine number looks wrong as well??

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Post  piston 197 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:41 am

I would suggest you make a new frame plate , now you know the number, but keep the old plate, if you have an old logbook , or tax disc it is possible to reclaim the registration number, if not then to get an age related No the bike will have to be finished/complete either way you will need a dating letter off me to proceed. Send me a p.m. when you are ready to proceed and I will give you my phone No and we can discuss,
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Post  tempra007 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:59 am

Thanks
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Post  fulmar88 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:10 am

tempra007 wrote:just looking at the frame number again it's Y5496 not 69. the engine number looks wrong as well??

I think the engine number is correct beginning 295B (JH you quoted 295B at 8.17am but 259B at 9.15pm - typo?)

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Post  piston 197 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:41 am

Yes fingers faster than brain 295B is correct !
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Post  tempra007 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:37 pm

Started stripping the engine, oh dear!!!Sad looks like I've got my work cut out!


Silly question, how do I remove the above clutch assembly?


the sparkplug is really rusted into the head, looks like  a replacement will be needed (also a few fins are broken)


really dead carb as well


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Post  Jack Clegg on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:50 am

The clutch centre is on straight splines & normally should just pull off. If stuck, rig a puller using the spring screws & big washers or similar for the puller legs & it should come away OK.
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Post  tempra007 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:08 am

Silly question!, I know some of the post war bike share certain parts and my question is does the Plover share its petrol tank and other pars with others? I would rather get an original FB part rather than get a new one made.

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:20 am

The petrol tank for your bike is shared with the James cadet 1955 to 1959 although various types of filler cap was used on both machines from early to late models,
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Post  tempra007 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:22 am

Thank you so much, makes it easier to source parts:D

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