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Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

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Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

Post  Fanny Beebee on Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:51 pm

Can anyone tell me what this was when it left the factory in 1956?
Also, any previous owners of 482 UXH out there?
Frame number is 7M81114.

Thanks, Stewart


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Post  piston 197 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:11 am

You have you first digit of the frame number wrong it is either "V" ,"W" ,or"Y" as it looks like a 7 then probably a "Y" this would make it a 1957 FB Falcon 74 road bike although the engine is a pre 1953 villiers 125cc 10D,it would have originally have had a 197cc villiers 8E,the tank is the standard road item ,but has been dented in the front to give more lock'
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Re: Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

Post  Fanny Beebee on Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:55 pm

piston 197 wrote:You have you first digit of the frame number wrong it is either "V" ,"W" ,or"Y" as it looks like a 7 then probably a "Y" this would make it a 1957 FB Falcon 74 road bike although the engine is a pre 1953 villiers 125cc 10D,it would have originally have had a 197cc villiers 8E,the tank is the standard road item ,but has been dented in the front to give more lock'
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Thanks very much Piston 197!
I took the frame number from the V5, and have just been out to look at the number on the bike.  It's certainly a 7 stamped on.  Strange!

I understood it's got a 6E installed (From V5: No 231A482400)  but have since bought a four speed 8E to fit at some time in the future.

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:03 pm

231A is indeed a 6E 197cc out of an Ambassador,but that is on the V5 ,i would have a look on the engine as that is the smallest 6E i have seen ,it looks lost in the frame,if in doubt ,undo the 4 cylinder head bolts and measure the bore,50mm is 125,56mm is 150 and 59mm is 197cc,the gap between the tank and the top of the engine suggests to me it is a 125?? I could be wrong ( it won't be the first time,)
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Re: Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

Post  Fanny Beebee on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:35 pm

piston 197 wrote:231A is indeed a 6E 197cc out of an Ambassador,but that is on the V5 ,i would have a look on the engine as that is the smallest 6E i have seen ,it looks lost in the frame,if in doubt ,undo the 4 cylinder head bolts and measure the bore,50mm is 125,56mm is 150 and 59mm is 197cc,the gap between the tank and the top of the engine suggests to me it is a 125?? I could be wrong ( it won't be the first time,)
JH

Many thanks JH.  That's a massive help.  I'll check it out and report back!
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Frame & engine number

Post  Fanny Beebee on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:18 am

Here's a snap of the frame number.

Also, I checked the engine number & it's exactly as on the V5 (231A482400)

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Re: Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

Post  fulmar88 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:15 am

Hi, Just to add a little more, from my list of Falcon 74s the number 81114 fits with it being a Y probably mistakenly stamped with a 7. The 'Y' year code for 1957 actually ran from Sept 56 to Aug 57. I have a record of YM81599 being registered on 18th Dec 1956 so yours is probably Oct 56 ish (1957 model year).

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Post  Fanny Beebee on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:07 pm

Thank you Steve. That's really useful.

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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:30 pm

The stamping on the frame does not look like original FB stamping ,i am guessing that the V5 was misprinted by some civil service numpty with no knowledge of bikes misreading a "Y" on the old card logbook and listing it on the V5 as a "7",It was probably easier to stamp the frame to match the logbook ,than to get DVLA to admit they made a mistake and get the V5 corrected ?
As you have a V5 and the bike with the same No on it matters not a jot,and as the bike was originally a road bike and is now a trials style bike,my advice would be to ignore it and carry on>
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The mysterrious 7

Post  MoscowFlyer on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:05 pm

That mysterious 7 has turned up in my log book too. My bike is a 1957 Cruiser 75, and should have a frame number starting YB, but it is 7B, maybe the guy at the factory wore the Y punch out, or someone borrowed it!!? Mike
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7 versus Y

Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:34 pm

I have seen 7 many times instead of Y ,but usually the frame is correct and is Y and the V5 has been typed by the usual DVLA disinterested office junior as a 7,I have also lost count of how often a 5 become an S,( ihave had several BSA A755's instead of being A7SS's
back about a year ago DVLA admitted to approx 11% errors on V5 docs ( that accounts to approx 1 in 10 being wriong) usually high lighted when you go for an MOT and the testers computer does not recognise the frame No,
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7 Versus Y

Post  MoscowFlyer on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:44 pm

What do I do when it comes to registering the bike with the DVLA, the frame looks like a Y. Do I change it to a 7?

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7 Versus Y

Post  Fanny Beebee on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:57 pm

It's often surprising where these threads lead us!
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Post  piston 197 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:07 pm

Mike,
my advice is to make the "7" on the old RF60 logbook look a bit more like a "Y" before presenting it as evidence to reclaim the original number,we all know it should be a "Y" and the frame is a "Y", all FB frame numbers after 1931 began with a letter to denote the year and not a number.
I have had 2 off1952/54 bikes to register lately where the frame No has a "R" suffix after the numbers ,there was either nothing for a Black bike,or a "B" for a blue bike,but these 2 bikes both had an "R" on the logbook and on the frame,i can only think it was a "B" and the bottom line did not come out when stamped,but it was easier to let it go than try to correct it at this late stage.
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Post  MoscowFlyer on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:16 pm

Thanks John, that will be the easiest way to got. Mike
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Trials Bike

Post  kerabo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:16 pm

So when is the first Trial?

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Re: Trials trim - Who knows something about this?

Post  Fanny Beebee on Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:20 pm

kerabo wrote:So when is the first Trial?

Ken

It's quite a trial getting those wide bars through the shed door every time!Laughing
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